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on monday along with admiral mullen to go through with his papers a private deposition so we can get the facts in a nonpartisan way. we'll have republicans and democrats -- >> ambassador, you're willing to appear? you just jumped in here. >> of course. i've said the day before the hearings, i was willing to appear to come to the very hearings that he excluded me from. the white house -- >> please don't tell me i excluded you. >> the majority -- we were told the majority said i was not welcome at that hearing. i could come at some other time. >> well, as the ambassador just said, the day before the hearing, if the white house said we'd like to have him, there's a procedure. he could have been the democratic witness. and we would have allowed him. the democrats requested no witness. the fact is, we don't want to have some sort of a stage show. we had fact witnesses. they testified. we have the ambassador and admiral mullen who conducted and oversaw the arb. we've invited them on monday. we'll go through not in front of the public but in a nonpartisan way questions and answers and then
mullen who conducted and oversaw the -- we're inciting them on monday. we'll go through not in front of the public but in a nonpartisan way questions and answers and then obviously, a hearing to follow at an appropriate time. i'm delighted to have a long-serving career diplomat willing to come before us. i don't think it was his decision to say no. but we were told no until just before the hearing >> let me do this. chairman, stick around for a minute. i want to ask you about this irs story. ambassador pickering, you led this investigation along with admiral mullen. and the criticism about this investigation is, it didn't go far enough. you didn't specifically interview secretary of state clinton. you didn't probe into what she did or did not do in the immediate aftermath of the attacks. you focused on lower level officials and didn't sufficiently address the very point the chairman brings up, which is why wasn't there the sufficient address to the fact that there was a deteriorating security situation if benghazi? >> let me say that i hope the chairman has read our report. our repor
.n. ambassador tom pickering and the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, admiral mike mullen. today, the committee released a pair of letters they sent to these two men back in february, asking them to testify as witnesses, they declined. lou? >> they declined. and that's quite a reversal for elijah cummings, who at the beginning of this day was absolutely adamant in rejecting this hearing because he believed it was utterly and purely politically motivated. thank you, james rosen, outstanding reporting hroughout on this story. we appreciate it. fox news chief washington correspondent james rosen. congressman trey gowdy as you heard in tonight's broadcast is one of the senior members of the house oversight committee. and he made this statement as today's hearing began. >> if anyone wants to know what differences it makes, if anyone wants to ask what difference does it make, it always matters. whether or not you can trust your government. and to the families, we're going to find out what happened in benghazi and i don't care whose career is impacted. we're going to find out what happ
pickering. and admiral mike mullen found that failures were grossly inadequate security and the secretary of state, hillary clinton, grew impatient with republican lawmakers who feel that the lawmakers use the video excuse to hide the truth. but the benghazi attacks were terrorism. >> we have four dead americans. was it a protest or because there were guys going out for a walk. at what point does an eight? it is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again. reporter: one of the victims father's telling fox news that getting to the truth makes a big difference. >> credibility is the difference it makes. we have a rule that says if a person's testimony is proven to be false in any part, the rest of the testimony is to be disregarded on that subject. reporter: whether or not these hearings get us closer to the truth, we will have to wait and see. jenna: we will have to watch it together. jon: taking you to a news conference outside of the home of the sister of amanda berry, one of the kidnapped victims. let's listen to the head of the c
'd agreed on the need for testimony by former joint chiefs chairman admiral mike mullen and former u.n. ambassador thomas pickering, cochairs of the a rb, the blue-ribbon panel that reviewed and gusty to the state to private. >> you probably still need to year from pickering and mullen and others. >> reporter: now eight said senator gramm can call on the chairman to testify, but dempsey's remarks won't change spirit person to subpoena secretary clinton. former vice president. lou: who is likely to appear? >> as we have been talking about on this show last night and today, it does not seem to be a bipartisan push to here from ambassador pickering and admiral mullen. beyond that i can tell you that there are about a handful, fewer than five so far that we know about, cia whistle-blowers to have made overtures to lawmakers or to private attorneys to represent them. so it is likely, as you say, that we will hear from those people, the whistle-blower or from the head of the post benghazi review panel before we hear from secretary clinton. lou: thank you very much. fox news, chief osman co
mullen and governor o'malley and carly fiorina for a conversation about education. thanks very much to you, chris cillizza, kelly o'donnell, count those votes, we'll talk to you later. >> we'll let you know how it turns out. >>> turning to boston. people who were injured in the boston marathon bombing are learning about how the millions of dollars raised in the aftermath are going to be distributed in a town hall meeting this morning, one fund boston administrator ken feinberg who we interviewed about this last week said the highest payments will go to people with the most severe injuries and obviously to those who lost lives, the families of those who lost lives. nearly $30 million in pledges and donations have come in so far. feinberg wants to lower expectations, though. >> it will be a very generous program, but let me tell you, they're in no way, there's no not enough money here to pay everybody. [ male announcer ] what?! investors could lose tens of thousands of dollars in hidden fees on their 401(k)s?! go to e-trade and roll over your old 401(k)s to a new e-trade retirement ac
the investigation board. >> on february 22nd, this economiee broke to ambassador pickering and admiral mullen, who as required by law were appointed by secretary clinton and cochaired the accountability review board investigation. we asked them to testify about their investigations and findings. they refused and our minority said nothing. >> ambassador thomas pigering cochaired that review board and joins us from the state department. i wanted to clear up, first of all, whether or not you are willing to testify, contrary to what chairman issa has claimed. >> yes, i'm willing to testify. i made that clear yesterday. the white house i understand made that clear to mr. issa. he decline. i don't know the reasons for that, made some statement about perhaps sometime later we could come, but i was very interested in being there, because i thought the testimony this morning might be important with respect to the accountability review board and its work. >> you interrued gregory hicks who testified emotionally today, the deputy chief of mission, the last person who we know of to speak to ambassador stevens
there. he's the most respected diplomat in washington. he, together with admiral mullen, went through a lengthy review of the security aspect of this. they came up with a recommendation for changes, which were accepted by secretary clinton and president obama. unfortunately, this has been caught up in the 2016 presidential campaign. this effort to go after hillary clinton. the reason she wasn't interviewed was she didn't have any direct-line responsibility for the decisions that were made. but they want to bring her in, because they think it's a good political show. and i think that's unfortunate. >> darrell issa, the guide of this fishing expedition, appeared on "meet the press" this morning. he was sitting alongside ambassador pickering, who was not impressed with the congressman's misinformation. >> now, ambassador pickering, his people, and he refused to come before our committee -- >> that is not true. >> well, we'll get to ambassador pickering -- >> we have it in writing, we have white house correspondence. it may not have been the ambassador's decision, but it was the white hou
clinton's integrity, susan rice's integrity, mike mullen and tom pickering's integrity. it's a given that mine gets challenged by these same folks. they've used it for fund-raising and, frankly, if anybody out there wants to actually focus on how we make sure something like this does not happen again, i am happy to get their advice and information and counsel. >> let's bring in our panel now. in los angeles, democratic strategist dob bob shrum for "t daily beast." and with us from the white house, msnbc contributor, jonathan capehart, opinion writer for the "washington post." john, the president was adamant today his administration was as transparent as it could have been in these first hours after bengha benghazi. as soon as they had more information, they released it. obviously none of this will satisfy his critics nor prevent such attacks in the future, will it? >> reporter: no, it won't. see in the president's face the moment the question turned from the irs to benghazi. his face pinched. he looked at the reporter with what i describe as a death ray glare. when it comes in this i
themselves by pointing to an investigation run by admiral mike mullen and former ambassador thomas pickering which told the world the benghazi chaos was, again, generated by lower level individuals. mullen and pickerring were appointed by secretary of state hillary clinton to do the investigation. but they didn't even ask her relevant questions let me understand what you are saying. >> sure. >> you had secretary clinton but you didn't ask her any questions and why not? >> because, in fact, we knew where the responsibility rested. she had already stated on a number of occasions she accepted as a result of her job the full responsibility. >> are you kidding me? the ambassador simply didn't do his job. he knows it. he is now hiding under his desk having received our invitation to explain. mr. pickerring has to know that anyone who really wanted to know the truth about benghazi would have have asked mrs. clinton a series of specific questions about the terror attack. anyone would have done that. but he didn't. so now we have three major incidents that reflect badly on the federal government. the
: tonight admiral mike mullen and ambassador tom pickering said we had unfettered access to everyone and everything including all the documentation we needed. our marching orders, they said, were to get to the bottom of what happened and that's what we did. there is an obvious political undercurrent. republicans are taking direct aim at hillary clinton, the country's most popular democrat and a possible presidential contender. brian? >> andrea mitchell in the d.c. newsroom tonight. andrea, thanks. >>> the u.s. air force official in charge of sexual assault prevention and response has been removed from his job tonight after being arrested over the weekend for an alleged sexual assault. lieutenant colonel jeff krusinski, described in the police report as a drunken male subject, allegedly approached and grabbed a woman in an arlington, virginia, parking lot in the early hours of sunday morning. he's been charged with sexual battery. this comes on the heels of a major sex abuse scandal at the training facility at lacklund air force base in texas. more than 30 instructors were charged wit
depositions from retired ambassador pickerring and retired admiral mullen. he wants to know who the pair specific to reach their conclusion that then secretary of state hillary clinton did not direct the response to the pair of nighttime attacks in libya. pickerring says there is no evidence that high-level state department officials were responsible but said bad decisions were made by lower ranking individuals. >> no one won the powerball jackpot but there is a ticket holder smiling big in the bay area. we tell you where a big winner bought a ticket. ought deadline that could determine where the controversial morning after pill will be available to young girl welcome back on this monday. voting continues in vallejo how to spend $3 million for neighborhood projects. residents can choose among 35 projects from street improvements and support for parks and schools and cultural projects. the vote is open to everyone age 16 and older. residents can go to vallejo city hall to vote. >> california began playing powerball a month ago and a player in petaluma is richer. a shell station on petalum
-chaired the accountability review board with the chairman joint chiefs of staff mike mullen who said there was absolutely nothing that went untoward here in terms of the time they could not get help to benghazi quickly enough. one of the people who is going to testify tomorrow greg hits, deputy chief u.s. embassy did not tell him although now is he saying that he tried to get help from italy and he was denied or they were denied. the pentagon denied that now he is saying. >> bill: pickering former u.n. ambassador. he was appointed by hillary clinton by the way on the accountability review board not to impugn his honesty. >> he bunt impugn him either. >> bill: their report that he signed said that there was a systemic failure. >> right. >> bill: about leaving the facility in benghazi. what was that failure. >> told me there were four people who were at risk here at least who did not do the right thing. >> bill: what was the failure. >> he didn't say what the failure was. >> bill: why didn't you ask him? >> we didn't get time to talk about the whole report. >> bill: wait. the headline of the report, colmes
committee hearing, but declined to attend. former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, mike mullen, and former ambassador tom pickerring. in defense of the white-wash report that avoid good indictment to state department top brass, pickerring said, quote, our marching orders were to get to the bottom of what happened and that's what we did. he's also quoted as saying that the whole investigation wasitant amount to pulistser-prize-level fiction. so much for impartiality. as for mr. mullen, a retired general, he is just one of the failed ark techs of our wayward military policy in the middle-east. the navy complimented a fallen david petraeus. will someone please explain how we were left naked in the face of terror? former secretary of defense, leon panetta practically turned himself into a pretzel in making excuses for the standdown. the current chairman for the joint chief, general martin dempsey joined the fog of no war from benghazi from the start. senator john mccain described the general's testimony to a senate committee last february as the most bizarre he had ever heard. we g
with political motivations. we've had folks who have challeng challenged hillary clinton's integrity, mike mullen and pickering. they've used it for fundraising. >> ben, how do you respond to the fact that we're now looking at two very serious things being launched at the president that maybe is not as serious as all of the smoke around it. as the president said today, is there any "there" there? >> that's right. the president drew a line in the sand to what he's going to get to the bottom of and what's been a very political administration benghazi. the administration conducted an independent review with ambassador pickering with chairman mullen that looked into this issue. chairman issa would not allow the testimony over the weekend. the e-mails that you're referring to, republicans have had an opportunity to review those in march. speaker boehner had an opportunity to show up for the hill briefing that the administration offered and declined to do so. he sent his staffers. the president is taking control when it comes to the irs issue. americans have lost so much trust in government over the pa
in the field of national security. admiral mullen and ambassador pickering. that report contained within it a series of recommendations. every single one of which has been acted on or is being acted on by the state department and that demonstrates the seriousness with which we took the true issues here. also given the remarkable level of cooperation was demonstrated with congressional committees does far demonstrates for a place for this attempts to politicize this when i should not be the case. >> why do you think they're going after hillary clinton? >> i am not sure they are. i note in the report by the committee, chairman cases can india so liberally excluded democrats was highly partisan. it included a main allegation described by the "washington post" fact checker this way. quote, issa has no basis to show that then secretary clinton had anything to do with this case anymore than she approved property not to care. the odds are long that she ever proved resolve this memo giving us confidence his inflammatory and
you agree to do that. i want to finish this question. i imagine pickering and admiral mullen have put out a joint statement that based on the thorough investigation, they assigned responsibility where they thought it lay and that was not on secretary clinton. we had unfettered access to everything, including all the documentation we need it. our more -- our marching orders were to get to the bottom of what happened and that is what we did. you said, wel, as want to get a complete picture and we will hopefully be getting that complete picture very soon so that we can get to the point we want to, which is the reform so that these kinds of things are prevented from happening again. thank you. >> we now go to the gentleman from utah. >> thank you. i would say to the ranking member, who i have the utmost respect for, i totally concur with you. just like the arb,, we should have unfettered access to all the witnesses and all the documents. we should stand up for allelves and demand that the unclassified documents be released so we can look at them at the same time. >> i agree. i yield back.
by ambassador pickering and admiral mullen who happen to be the former chairman of joint chiefs of staff. in its investigation, the review board interviewed more than 100 people, reviewed thousands of pages of documents and viewed hours of video tapes. the board made 29 recommendations to improve security systems and procedures to prevent future deadly attacks. a key finding made by the board related to availability of funding. it was specifically for temporary facilities in high risk, high threat environments. the board stated, the department should develop minimum security standards for occupancy of temporary facilities in high risk, high threat environments and seek greater flexibility for the use of bureau of overseas buildings and operations, sources of funding. so that they can be rapidly made available for security upgrades at such facilities. it is important to note that the facility in benghazi was designated a temporary facility. mr. nordstrom, do you agree with the board's review? >> that was actually one of the specific things i talked with the board. my concern is there is no such t
at the benghazi compound was grossly inadequate, to use the words of admiral mike mullen. whose fault was that? >> first, those were the words of the written report, which admiral mullen reported at the press conference. we made it clear that we found that four individuals made some decisions or participated in the decision-making process, that they failed in the performance of their duties. we recommended that two should leave their posts, and that has happened. >> all right. you mentioned gregory hicks. certainly one of the big moments was when he talked about the frustration of the special forces in tripoli, when they were told to stand down. tripoli about two to three hours from benghazi, but your report said the attack ebbed and flowed over about eight hours. what a military response really not possible? >> it was unfortunately not. it was very clear from both our review in which admiral mullen participated, and from general dempsey's testimony, that they do not believe there was the kind of relief or the sort of relief that would have made a difference the night of the attack. within 24
, mullen, george bush's father who appointed pickering. you have all of these bush alumni looking at this benghazi thing, some of them either wrote the report that was critical of the state department as being trashed as part of the cover-up or people like gates and petraeus was obviously deep military background and they're all looking at this and saying what is this cover-up talk? what is this insanity? but you know, they have decided you know, pickerring is going to be thrown under the bus because this -- they are -- all part of the vast conspiracy, mullen is being thrown under the bus. so it doesn't matter if you're republican. doesn't matter if you're a four star general. it doesn't matter if bush appointed you you're all part of the cover-up. i sort of joked how brilliant was obama to pick all of these bush alumni to be the point people for his so-called cover-up? genius! >> gates said frankly had i been on the job at the time, my decisions would have been just as theirs were. >> stephanie: republican strategist claims benghazi much worse than 9-11. what now? it really is in
and admiral mike mullen, the facts are that it was a terrible tragedy, that there were lapses of leadership at the state department, that's what the accountability review board said. but as to a cover-up, i don't see it. i don't seat evidene the evideny kind of cover-up on this. and as far the charge that somehow the u.s. military could have come to the rescue, could have provided direct military support deployments, special forces, general dempsey and every other military expert says the timeline just didn't work, there wasn't enough time in those 12 hours to get people there. so i don't think there is much new here. >> you don't believe there is evidence that states slow walked its response a little bit on this at the beginning? >> i don't know every aspect of this. i'm just a private citizen watching this as you are. so i can't speak for every interaction, but i do know this. i know ambassador pickering well, i know admiral mullen well and they're great public servants and they looked at this with a critical eye. their report was tough on the state department in many ways, but it didn't
. honestly, pickerring and mullen, they should be shamed of the document they put together. >> you're saying pickerring and mullen and petraeus and all of guys?bad >> i didn't put petraeus in there, juan, you did. >> these are people of great reputation. >> why didn't they interview hillary clinton? >> hillary clinton didn't have anythingil to say about securit. you think hillary clinton -- >> someone had to give the stand down order. >> that's the cover-up here. >> i'm listening to you and i'm thinking, people got fired on the basis of this report. >> and it's a garbage report. >> but maybe not the right people. maybe additional people should permanently. dana? >> well, a couple of t things. we talked yesterday about the two different time lines. there is the political talking point one where the state department spokesperson says this is going to look bad for us. we needt to make some changes, and then apparently somebody does their bidding. so i had a great job as press secretary. but i wasn't that powerful. in communications, you don't do anything likeng whale sale changing -- whole sail
pickering and former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, mike mullen, conducted a thorough report, assessing -- >> they did not look at those e-mails. and thomas pickering told abc news you have to be naive to leave that politics was not injected in some role. >> i would suggest that looking at the play-by-play, that what was going on was not so much the politics of election year, but the institutional positioning. victoria nuland, who was representing the state department, had a long career of public service. she's not a partisan. she worked for dick cheney. she was very much interested in making sure that the state department's position and their perception -- >> you're saying this is an interagency problem? >> i think this is a classic issue of interagencies battle about who will say what. and at the end, i think what you have a very sort of consensus document that avoided all of the difficult issues. >> it's acceptable for jay carney to originally say there was just one, small change in this? and then, we find 12 different versions, including a very definitive statement. we do
. subsequently, admiral mullen looked at that very carefully. general dempsey did. they have both testified there was no military capacity to get there. >> schieffer: all right, mr. ambassador, thank you so much for joining us. >> we're going to get more comment on this in just a minute. welwhere nethe new buffalo... where companies like geico are investing in technology & finance. welcome to the state where cutting taxes for business... is our business. welcome to the new buffalo. welcome to the new buffalo. welcome to the new buffalo. new york state is throwing out the old rule book to give your business a new edge, the edge you can only get in new york state. to grow our start your business, visit thenewny.com so you can capture your receipts, ink for all business purchases. and manage them online with jot, the latest app from ink. so you can spend less time doing paperwork. and more time doing paperwork. ink from chase. so you can. number two democrat. he's in springfield. senator kelly ayotte is in manchester, new hampshire. senator ion the ayotte,in you hn critical of some of these th
distinguished americans, mike mullen and tom pickering, who investigated every element of this. and what they discovered was some pretty harsh judgments in terms of how we had worked to protect consulates and embassies around the world. they gave us a whole series of recommendations. those recommendations are being implemented as we speak. the whole issue of talking points frankly throughout this process has been a sideshow. what we have been very clear about throughout was that immediately after this event happened we were not clear who exactly had carried it out, how it had occurred, what the motivations were. it happened at the same time as we had seen attacks on u.s. embassies in cairo as a consequence of this film. and nobody understood exactly what was taking place during the course of those first few days. and the e-mails that you allude to were provided to us by congressional committees. they reviewed them several months ago, concluded that in fact there was nothing afoul in terms of the process we had used. and suddenly three days ago this gets spun up as if there's something ne
distinguished americans, mike mullen and tom pickering. who investigated every element of this and what they discovered was some pretty harsh judgments in terms of how we had worked to protect consulates and embassies around the world. they gave us a whole series of recommendations, those recommendations are being implemented as we speak. the whole issue of this, of talking points frankly throughout this process, has been a sideshow. we have been very clear about throughout was that immediately after this event happened, we were not clear who exactly had carried it out, how it had occurred. what the motivations were. it happened at the same time, as we had seen attacks on u.s. embassies in cairo as a consequence of this film. and nobody understood exactly what was taking place. during the course of those first few days. and the emails that you allude to were provided by us to congressional committees, they reviewed them several months ago. concluded that in fact, there was nothing afoul in terms of the process that we had used. and suddenly, three days ago, this gets spun up as if there
knows they're out to get him. and that they're besmirching pickering and mullen. basically saying we are dis honoring the people who died there when he called this basically a political circus. so obviously he was not giving an inch on benghazi. and it's very clear that he sees this as a political attack rather than anything that needs to be looked at internally at the white house or the cia or the state department. absolutely saying no cover-up whatsoever. >> and chief white house correspondent jessica yellin who was in the east room. president obama on one hand saying that the benghazi talking points issue is a sideshow, there's no there there. but having a very different tone when it comes to the scandal about the irs targeting conservative and tea party groups. >> that's right, jake. first on the benghazi. i have to tell you i'm not surprised by the tone he took. inside this building as you well know they find this digging around about the talking points and the e-mails sort of ridiculous and just sort of politics as usual because they argue as you heard him say not only has capi
challenged hillary clinton's integrity, susan rice's integrity. mike mullen and tom pickering's integrity. it's a given that mine gets challenged by these same folks. >> joining me now for the daily fix, chris cillizza, msnbc contributor and managing editor of post politics.com and senior editor and kelly o'donnell. it was a defiant president obama today, let's see he used political circus, sideshow, and no "there" there. if there was any doubt about how the president feels about the benghazi probe coming from capitol hill, i think we now know. >> no question. chuck, contrast that to how he approached the irs story, the question was a two-parter, actually a three-parter. on the irs, these actions are outrageous, i will not tolerate it. on benghazi, clearly he, this is a digging in. this is, he does not think, he does see this as purely political by republicans. he does not, there was no apology for some of the discrepancy in the talking points, he dismissed as you used the words, he dismissed the focus on the talking points as a sideshow. emotional, i don't want to say angry. but clearly pert
. that thomas pickering and retired admiral mike mullen not be taken behind closed doors as requested but be before the public if this is going to continue. >> keep in mind that pickering and admiral mullen did the only independent investigation to date. and then been yesterday on nbc, of course, chairman issa said they did not go far enough. they didn't interview enough witnesses and also really made some statements that i think were basically saying that they were dishonor to some degree. we've got, i think when you have a situation like this, you've got to bring those folks forward. the folks who did the report. who looked into this. and let them tell us what they found. and be given an opportunity to defend themselves. when it came time for the whistle blowers to come forward, i welcomed them. and by the way, if there are other whistle blowers, i welcome them, too. as a matter of fact, tamron, we had whistle blowers, one that came and he had no prior interview. we had not hardly any information about him and had never interviewed him. so if you've got the people who did this repor
, there was a review board headed by two distinguished americans, mike mullen and tom pickering who investigated every element of this. somethey discovered was pretty harsh judgments in terms of how we had worked to protect consulates and embassies around the world. they gave us a whole series of recommendations and those recommendations are being implemented as we speak. the whole issue of talking points, frankly, throughout this process has been a sideshow. what we have been very clear about throughout is immediately after this event happened, we were not clear who exactly carried it out, how it had occurred, what the motivations were. it happened at the same time as we had seen attacks on u.s. embassies in cairo as a conse of this film. nobody understood exactly what was taking place during the course of the first few days. the e-mails that you allude to were provided by us to congressional committees. they reviewed them several months ago. fact,oncluded that in there was nothing a file in terms of the process we had used. -- nothing a foul in terms of the process we had used. then this gets spun u
and it's useless. pickering and mullen, they should be awill shamed of the document. >> you are saying pickering and petraeus, all the bad guys? >> eric: i didn't put petraeus in there, you did. >> these people are great reputation. hillary clinton didn't have anything to say about security i was just listening -- i'm listening to you and people got fired on the basis of this report. >> kimberly: maybe additional people should be terminated permanently. >> dana: couple things two different time lines. there is the political talking point one where the state department spokesperson says this is going to look bad for us. we need to make changes and somebody does their bidding. let me just tell you. i had a job as press secretary but i wasn't that powerful. in communications you don't do anything like wholesale changing of a document like that without somebody in your leadership as they refer to in the email, somebody in the leadership was telling her to make the changes. then on saturday morning, the white house meets and gets totals. there is all that time line and get to the youtube vi
. >> today mike mullen will be asked to give sworn testimony before the house oversight committee. congressman darrell issa leads the committee. >> hillary clinton is not the target. president obama is not the target. the question is how did we fail three different ways, fail to heed the warnings of the impending attack, fail to respond properly during the attack, at least we could have done better, and i think everybody knows that. >> but democrats contend the gop is targeting clinton in order to discredit her in case she chooses to run for president in 2016. >> the reason she wasn't interviewed was she didn't have any direct line responsibility for the decisions that were made, but they want to bring her in because they think it's a good political show, and i think that's unfortunate. >> republican investigators are also seeking answers about why u.n. ambassador susan rice relied on watered down talking points to discuss benghazi in the days after the attack. on sunday senator john mccain accused the obama administration of taking part in a coverup. >>> the internal revenue serv
experts in our national security establishment, nonpartisan actors, admiral mullen and ambassador pickering who oversaw this review and it was unsparing. it was critical and it held people accountable and it made a series of recommendations for actions that could be taken to improve security to reduce the potential of these types of events from happening in the future and every single one of those recommendations has been or is being implemented by the state department. >> by his greg hicks who was the number two to ambassador stevens now going to tell congress and the american people that there were a u.s. special forces who are in tripoli getting ready to board a plane come to benghazi to help these americans and they were told to stand down? >> i think the department defense has addressed this. i don't have access to the interviews that i think you refer to and some of the news reports. in terms of that issue, the response the department of defense took in the actions that the department of defense took in response to what was happening in benghazi it would refer you to them. t
with the joint chiefs of staff michael mullen, this was a thorough and independent investigation. they said based on what they did through months of study and many interviews they could not have moved assets. one of the issues was permission to use libyan air space and they needed to refuel and they could not have gotten there in time. i don't think mike mullen or ambassador pickering would put their career on the line to put out false information. this was an independent review board. you have cummings, the democratic congressman who said they have not had access to interview some of the people like the republicans have. that's why i think this is a political witch hunt. alisyn: we have heard some testimony from congress that leon panetta said there wasn't time. but we heard other people and we may hear today them say that there were f-16s 1,000 miles away at the aviano air base in sicily and they could have made it within 7 hours. >> that's not what the interest review board says. >> four americans died and there are a lot of decent people in government and elsewhere who want to know the answer
nonpartisan experts in the field of national security. admiral mullen and ambassador pickering. and that report issued, contained within it, a series of recommendations, every single one of which has been acted on or is being acted on by the state department. and i think that demonstrates the seriousness with which we took the true issues here. it also -- given the remarkable level of cooperation that we demonstrated with congressional committees and investigators thus far, demonstrates that we are at a place there are attempts to politicize this. >> why do you think they are going after hillary clinton? >> i'm not sure that they are. i will note that in the report issued by chairman issa's committee that excluded democrats and highly partisan and included a main allege within it that was described by the "washington post" fact checker this way, quote, issa has no basis or evidence to show that then secretary clinton had anything to do with this cable anymore than she personally approved the cable on he can ket. giving confidence that his reckless language claire files as a who
chiefs of staff admiral mike mullen who were actually reversed on the screen there declined to appear as witnesses before the committee to defend the final report that they unveiled in december which is now under challenge. after yesterday's hearing, democrats agreed on the need for the two to step forward. >> we've got to now do everything in our power to get to the bottom of this. we probably still need to hear from pickering and mullen and others. >> reporter: and others. no word when we might see further hearings but as we just heard on the channel if you're watching just in the last few minutes, house speaker john boehner, republican of ohio, now calling on president obama to release in full some of these unclassified e-mails. jon? jon: we'll see if he does. james rosen, in washington, thank you. >> reporter: thank you. jenna: now to the group reportedly behind the attack in benghazi. the number two diplomat in libya at the time saying that he and many others knew it was terrorism from the moment it happened. greg hicks talked about receiving several phone calls that night about
with the body of boston marathon bombing suspect tamerlan tsarnaev. martha mullen felt compelled to help. "i'm a christian and jesus says love your enemy" she says she was appalled at the reports of people protesting outside the funeral home. "fundamentally it struck me as wrong. we've buried other bad people so the difference, only seemed to me the difference was the fact that he was a muslim" as she points out- newtown shooter adam lanza is buried somewhere- so is virginia tech shooter sueng hui cho. "it's not up to me to judge or any of us to judge. what this person did, what tamerlan tsarnaev did is between him and god and god is the person who judges the sould but the body, the body belongs to us to bury" her phone now rings off the hook- the attention a little unexpected "what is it they say? fools go in where angels fear to tread" she knew her decision could be divisive. and would possibly bring about strong protests and emotions. even still- she followed her heart. "i feel at peace. i feel a sense of peace that it was the right decision, no matter what happens. it was the right thing
with mike mullen pickering released a scathing review that criticized security at the u.s. outpost in libya. however, he said that his board did not look into the controversial and incorrect talking points used by u.s. ambassador to the u.n. susan rice after the attack. >> they were not part of our investigation. they he came after the fact and our investigation was security in benghazi and the events leading up with respect to security in benito. sbenghazi. there is nothing i can add from in any particular issue of expertise on the issue of talking points. >> shannon: john mccain called the changes to the talking points a "coverup." darrell issa wants sworn depositions with pickering and mullen. will he get them? congressman issa joins us today. thank you for your time today. >> this morning, congressman pickering agreed to them and that is a great step in the direction to get it straight on how they reached decisions on a narrow basis one that only the lowest level of people responsible while finding 29 area of deficiency including the building itself in which the ambassador died. >> shan
department probe. bengh ambassador pickering and mike mullen to a closed deposition to discuss their probe into the benghazi attack. >> margaret brennan, thank you. cbs political analyst john dickerson is with us. is this something that they're trying to cover up or does it have to do with the hillary clinton campaign for 2016? >> both.both. there's the rewriting of the talking points and that looks like a coverup as john mccain calls it. but let's not go too far with that language. right now it looks like a covering that goes back and forth. it may grow to be more. coveri but that kind of bureaucratic protecting of turf is different than a highly orchestrated by hillary clinton approach that some are suggesting. are >> no smoke and gun. >> not yet but there's more and smoke now than there was a week there's before and that gives people a legitimate reason to follow. smok >> i think there are more questions like why pickering never interviewed secretary of state hillary clinton, nor her top two deputies. this is something that happened eight weeks before the elect
headed by two distinguished americans. mike mullen and tom pickering who investigated every element of this. and what they discovered was some pretty harsh judgments in terms of how we had were to protect consulates and embassies around the world. they gave us a whole series of recommendations. those are being implemented as we speak. the whole issue of talking points frankly throughout this process has been a sideshow. what we have been very clear about throughout is that immediately after the event happened, we were not clear who exactly had carried it out, how it had occurred, what the motivations were. it happened at the same time we have seen attacks on u.s. embassies in cairo as a consequence of this bill. and nobody understood exactly what was taking place during the course of those first few days. the e-mails that you allude to were provided by a two congressional committees. they rebuked them several months ago, concluded that in fact there is nothing a foul in terms of the process we had used. and suddenly, three days ago this gets spun off as if there is some pain due to
through this, led by ambassador pickering and admiral mullen. they interviewed 100 witnesses who were on the ground, some of whom were on the ground obviously, and many who were involved peripherally. and they made a review that there was no breach of duty here. they made a determination that the critical element here was that the host country forces that were committed to protecting the consulate there in benghazi walked off the job basically and that created a, you know, a security profile that was totally insufficient on september 11. >> but if i may, congressman, why is it we have not heard in public from a single person on the ground. in a congressional hearing? >> well, the republicans who control the house, we've had investigations. nordstrom came forward. we've had other witnesses. we've had hearings here prior to the recent elections. the house -- you could have mr. chafitz why they haven't brought up people, we don't have the ability to hold a maerpg the democrats have been kept out of this whole fro sesz. this has been a one-sided investigation, if you want to call it that.
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